Can Wind and Solar Replace America’s Coal Plants?
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Complete video at: fora.tv Panelists hotly debate Google’s proposed plan to phase out all coal plants by 2030 and replace them with alternative energy plants. Clean coal advocate Joe Lucas draws from an example of a North Dakota town to argue against the vulnerability of wind power. —– Is clean coal hope for the future, or just misleading marketing jargon? Panelists weigh in on the possibilities and opportunities. Coal-fired power plants are the largest US emitters of CO2 and human-generated mercury, yet our nation is poised to build many new coal plants in the future. Panelists discuss new technologies for carbon capture and storage and IGCC, and the implications of energy policy decisions on the health of our economy and our planet. – Commonwealth Club of California Julio Freidman is Director of the Carbon Sequestration Project at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Ray Lane is a Managing Partner at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, focused on helping entrepreneurs with technological and market insight, organizational development, team building, selling and managing growth. Since joining KPCB, Ray has sponsored several investments for the firm in enterprise and consumer technology, as well as clean and alternative energy. These companies include Ausra (solar concentrator), GreatPoint Energy (coal to gas conversion), Fisker Automotive (plug-in hybrid car), Th!nk NA (electric car), Luca Technologies (biologically enhanced gas recovery from fossilized hydrocarbons …



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May 29th, 2010 at 7:34 am
So far to me, cosmetically, a smaller wind turbine looks better. It is like our olden day windmills, upon human grasp. So there are other ways we can design wind turbines, and we should not rush into installing millions of them until we have designed a proper looking one. The same with solar panels. Each will be catering to its surrounding environment.
May 29th, 2010 at 8:02 am
American energy consumption is the biggest & most controllable factor of our energy crisis.
U.S. = consumes 1/4 of the world’s oil
The U.S. Military spends huge amounts of American taxpayers money on a global assault aimed at controlling energy sources for future domination militarily and economically. Foreign oil dependence can be solved, but must first start with legislation to tax gasoline heavily to fund alternatives. Most importantly the U.S. government must set high MPG standards! Peace
May 29th, 2010 at 8:47 am
One of the best ways to save the environment is to elect Officials that will focus on reducing immigration.
In America, nearly all the population growth in the last 40 years has been via immigration, over 100 million more and we are on track to go to 500 million in a few decades. The world does not need 300 million more American consumers and America does not need 300 million more immigrants. Go to Numbersusa for more info on immigration and to fax your senators for free.
May 29th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Wind, Solar and Geothermal can only supplement not replace Coal and Oil. You can make Coal more clean and more efficient. Not to mention there is still an abundant source of Coal.
I agree with Joe Lucas.
May 29th, 2010 at 10:04 am
In order for renewables to be used as a baseload power there needs to be a system of storage, The storage technologies(Hydrogen fuel cell, Lithium Ion) are about 10 years behind what they need to be in order to adequately increase the amount of renewables on the grid. You can put a higher percentage of Solar on the grid currently because it is being produced during periods of greater demand. But to get wind over 10% you will need a much more connected grid than the USA currently has.
May 29th, 2010 at 10:19 am
wow the end comment is great by the coal power guy. where does google go. where it’s cheap because of coal. We need to base-load with nuclear which doesn’t produce co2 when it produces energy.
May 29th, 2010 at 10:46 am
By replacing gasoline our system has a Return on Investment of less than 4 years, WITHOUT SUBSIDIES!! Hey, check it out at “Solar Wind Generator Green Construction” on you tube. The video shows our system in action in Orchard Park, NY. (home of the Buffalo Bills). Canadice Construction has gone Solar since July 9th 2008. We are mean, green and clean!!
May 29th, 2010 at 11:22 am
I like the “Google Plan”. I have an EV that I have charged from solar and wind energy. Now if 250,000,000 U.S. car owners would do the same, we as a nation would save 500,000,000 gals. of gasoline each day, without increasing emissions due to increased coal fired electric generation. The gasoline savings equates to $730 Billion per year!! My plan is to first replace as much gasoline as we can with solar and wind. And then try to replace inexpensive coal fired electricity.
May 29th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
People against this set a focus on possible things that might go wrong however unlikely they might be. And since people believe anything the government says and anything that is on t.v. they are scared of change. We could say that powerful oil companies and the government are using fear to keep things as they are and remain in economic power.
May 29th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
And we have the technology to make sure that nothing goes wrong with our new energy resources. It is more likely that something happens with our current energy sources than to renewable sources.
May 29th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
The problem is that people aren’t quite informed of what the benefits are and therefore feel more comfortable keeping the things as they are, whatever the consequences might be.
May 29th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
If only a little more importance was put in researching this new technology we could get rid of antediluvian sources of energy, which are nothing more than a way for wealthy people to get even wealthier, and advance as a civilization to a better future.
May 29th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
It seems that big oil magnates and our own government have made it their first priority to highlight the setbacks of new sources of energy overshadowing the huge advantages that they could bring. This is the future and we’re only preventing our civilization from advancing to a new era where energy could be cheaper and the salvation of our planet.
May 29th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
The problem is still the constantly-growing population. Even if properly reused, the Earth hasn’t an infinite amount of energy sources nor any other resources. Pollution, global warming and poverty would be much less problematic if some people stopped having children they can’t feed nor give a real education. What’s the point in having more population, after all?
May 29th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
The correct item for the correct job, that’s why a variety of energy sources are needed.
May 29th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
YES is the answer & we know that for sure.
It’s that same old, don’t get em thinking on the personal power level, portability & so on, because we gotta keep sellin’ them the grid. After all, joe public musn’t realize that the grid itself [what we need to keep selling them on] has it’s primary function of use for big energy hogs!
Think military=filthy fuel needs and so on.
Oh my gosh, the people [citizens] are finding out about all of this in greater numbers with each passing moment. Heh.
May 29th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
we just need to get rid of the old style thinking people
May 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
You’re not crazy, just oversimplifying.
The energy playing field does not allow even competition as some sectors receive disproportionate government assistance.
The technology isn’t easy, MANY are desperately working on it. Cheap clean power is something that CAN save the world.
The US political system is arguably incapable of untangling itself from the awful systemic rut it’s stuck in – doesn’t help that the 2 party system is a farce and conventional economic theory needs a re-write.
May 29th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Your numbers are meaningless because you don’t set a time frame. When you consider at ROI over time, your logic will be corrected.
At a 40 year life span (even given the well understood power fade PV phenomena), solar is perhaps the cheapest Watt around.
BUT if you look at the financial situation after only running the panel for a day, they are the most expensive Watt. Duh.
Plan ahead. Invest in future savings. Remove all energy subsidies to level the playing field and let them fight.
May 29th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
No. Wind and solar have a hopelessly low power density; the amount of usable power that can be gotten from these sources is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. We want HIGHER density sources of power, not LOWER density power. If wind and solar were sufficient to provide the energy modern civilization requires, why would we have bothered digging the coal out of the ground in the first place?
Nuclear power is the only way to go.
May 29th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
solar pv panel costs $4 per watt (before installation). the cost of one sheet of solar pv module costs the same as a LCD TV set. would you put 20 LCD monitors on your roof,so just to save $400 per year? oh, i forget the labor. go figure.
May 29th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
of course it can… without a doubt… if you replaced some farm fields that aint puling their wait… just put a solar panel field on it and it will supply free energy for years and it will pull its wait
May 29th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
call me crazy but if people invest research to make wind and solar cheaper than coal, won’t it simply be phased out naturally?
May 29th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
if only we could turn the energy invested into advocacy and debates into electricity
May 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Solar and wind are intermittent power sources. FACT!